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December 27, 2011
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I posted replies to yotebooter and to Dan Kidder before the site went down for maintenance.  Apparently no back-up was done immediately before site maintenance, as they have disappeared.  Oh, well.

Concerning the name:  the Hebrew for "dedicate" is "חנך" (ChaNaKh), which is where the name for the festival, "Hanukkah" (or "Chanukkhah", originated.  The special menorah is called the Hanukkiah, derived from its use at Hanukkah.

Yotebooter, you are absolutely correct that the word for "observed" or "celebrate" is not used:  there is just a temporal description.  This is not that unusual even for us, and, while one might expect an observant Jew like Jesus to celebrate the Dedication miracle, it doesn't really matter if one thinks that He didn't.  I daresay that we are pretty much in agreement about the rest of the Gospel of John in any event!  :-)

December 22, 2011
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I never argue about anything in the bible. There are many different opinions on many subjects. That's why there are so many different Christian religions.

December 22, 2011
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Thanks for this thread Dan, I honestly don't know very much about Hanukkah. 

 

Regarding the book of John, I like it a lot!  One of my favorite parts is the very last verse: (John 21: 25)

"And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."

December 22, 2011
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Good comments. The feast of dedication of the temple is the basis upon which Hanukkah was founded so you are both wrong and right at the same time.SurprisedLaugh Just depends upon how you define your terms. Seems I recall reading somewhere that Hanukkah wasn't called Hanukkah until many years later and that it was named because of the menorah or Haunukay. (sp?)

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December 22, 2011
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Good info and I join you Dan in wishing those who celebrate the Festival of Lights a heart felt Happy Hanukkah.

 

James – This is not to engage in some theological debate. I highly respect you for the knowledge you've show here on the forum. You've always been very kind and respectful. I think a great deal of you and hope this cuases no offense to you or deminishes the well wishes to those who celebrate Hanukkah from Dan or, in this post, from me. I must however, as humbly as I can, point out what Jesus was at the "Feast of Dedication" (John 10:22), but He was not "observing" the holiday (celebrating Hanukkah, if that's what you meant). I'll not comment any further here and will leave it up to those that might be interested to read what Jesus was doing there, and that the intended response from the Jewish people there was to stone Him. Read the entire chapter John 10:1-42. I encourage everyone to read the entire book of John. In this season marked by giving, it's a life changing read.

December 21, 2011
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Nicely written.  Thanks.

Did you know that the New Testament mentions that Jesus observed Hanukkah (John 10:22)? 

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December 21, 2011
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Sportsman's News would like to wish all of our Jewish friends a warm, happy, and healthy Hanukkah. For those of you who are not Jewish, read about the tradition of Haunakkah below.

From Wikipedia: Hanukkah , also known as the Festival of Lights, is an eight-day Jewish holiday commemorating the rededication of the Holy Temple (the Second Temple) in Jerusalem at the time of the Maccabean Revolt of the 2nd century BC. Hanukkah is observed for eight nights and days, starting on the 25th day of Kislev according to the Hebrew calendar, which may occur at any time from late November to late December in the Gregorian calendar.

The festival is observed by the kindling of the lights of a unique candelabrum, the nine-branched Menorah or Hanukiah, one additional light on each night of the holiday, progressing to eight on the final night. The typical Menorah consists of eight branches with an additional raised branch. The extra light is called a shamash and is given a distinct location, usually above or below the rest. The purpose of the shamash is to have a light available for use, as using the Hanukkah lights themselves is forbidden.

From About.com:

The Hanukkah Story

In 168 B.C.E. the Jewish Temple was seized by Syrian-Greek soldiers and dedicated to the worship of the god Zeus. This upset the Jewish people, but many were afraid to fight back for fear of reprisals. Then in 167 B.C.E. the Syrian-Greek emperor Antiochus made the observance of Judaism an offense punishable by death. He also ordered all Jews to worship Greek gods.

Jewish resistance began in the village of Modiin, near Jerusalem. Greek soldiers forcibly gathered the Jewish villages and told them to bow down to an idol, then eat the flesh of a pig – both practices that are forbidden to Jews. A Greek officer ordered Mattathias, a High Priest, to acquiesce to their demands, but Mattathias refused. When another villager stepped forward and offered to cooperate on Mattathias' behalf, the High Priest became outraged. He drew his sword and killed the villager, then turned on the Greek officer and killed him too. His five sons and the other villagers then attacked the remaining soldiers, killing all of them.

Mattathias and his family went into hiding in the mountains, where other Jews wishing to fight against the Greeks joined them. Eventually they succeeded in retaking their land from the Greeks. These rebels became known as the Maccabees, or Hasmoneans.

Once the Maccabees had regained control they returned to the Temple in Jerusalem. By this time it had been spiritually defiled by being used for the worship of foreign gods and also by practices such as sacrificing swine. Jewish troops were determined to purify the Temple by burning ritual oil in the Temple’s menorah for eight days. But to their dismay, they discovered that there was only one day's worth of oil left in the Temple. They lit the menorah anyway and to their surprise the small amount of oil lasted the full eight days.

This is the miracle of the Hanukkah oil that is celebrated every year when Jews light a special menorah known as a hanukkiyah for eight days. One candle is lit on the first night of Hanukkah, two on the second, and so on, until eight candles are lit.

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