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October 31, 2013
9:55 am
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here is something that has been going around for a while. 

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-ma…..acy-theory

 

i don't think it was and anti-gun conspiracy, I work with the evironmental agencies all the time. 

October 31, 2013
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NEILT said
here is something that has been going around for a while. 

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-ma…..acy-theory

 

i don't think it was and anti-gun conspiracy, I work with the evironmental agencies all the time. 

I believe the closing of the smelter is part of the conspiracy. Even though the regulations started during the Bush administration, Obama has had five years to add more and stricter regulations to force the shutdown. I've never seen an ammunition shortage as severe as this one or one that has lasted as long. I believe it is a form of gun control and it is being very effective. Last week Wal-Mart in Minden Louisiana had very little ammunition of any kind and had a one box limit on what you bought.

October 31, 2013
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I don't usually really buy into conspiracy theories like this.  I would say that it is probably a "happy coincidence" as far as Obama is concerned. He passed laws to tighten regulations on pollution for other reasons.  The fact that this will/could adversely affect the gun industry in terms of ammo availability is probably just an added bonus.

October 31, 2013
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wyflyguy said

I don't usually really buy into conspiracy theories like this.  I would say that it is probably a "happy coincidence" as far as Obama is concerned. He passed laws to tighten regulations on pollution for other reasons.  The fact that this will/could adversely affect the gun industry in terms of ammo availability is probably just an added bonus.

My thought exactly. Im curious to see what happens next. I can see a new smelting plant opening. But I can also see people finding a way to melt and cast zink as well.

November 1, 2013
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bluewater said

NEILT said
here is something that has been going around for a while. 

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-ma…..acy-theory

 

i don't think it was and anti-gun conspiracy, I work with the evironmental agencies all the time. 

I believe the closing of the smelter is part of the conspiracy. Even though the regulations started during the Bush administration, Obama has had five years to add more and stricter regulations to force the shutdown. I've never seen an ammunition shortage as severe as this one or one that has lasted as long. I believe it is a form of gun control and it is being very effective. Last week Wal-Mart in Minden Louisiana had very little ammunition of any kind and had a one box limit on what you bought.

Funny thing, all of my local Walmart's have been the same way. On the other hand, I have a Sportsmans 2 blocks from work (yes, I am very lucky! Cool) and they have a little of everything right now, with no limit (at least not that is posted). They even have bulk packs of 9mm which is pretty much unheard of over the last year. It's still way to expensive, but its there.

December 12, 2013
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I checked into this…..the plant that is closing does not supply lead for ammo and never has… I will attach the link to the company and its statement….they own another plant that is different and recycles lead which is used for ammo, batteries etc, with no plans in being shut down.

December 13, 2013
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Good to know.  Thanks for checking it out.

December 13, 2013
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I believe a majority of the lead used for ammo does not come out of mines/plants anyways. My understanding is that most lead used for bullets is from recycled items, such as batteries. Now the shutdown of the plant may cause a spike in the purchase of lead related items for other uses thus it may be down the line feed into a lead shortage, but I would say that is going to take a lot of time for something like that to happen.

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December 20, 2013
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Oh man there goes the conspiracy theory.

December 20, 2013
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feelinducky said
Oh man there goes the conspiracy theory.

Like it or not, there is and has been a conspiracy to get rid of guns and ammunition, especially lead ammunition, for years. That's no theory.

December 20, 2013
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Just another reason for folks to grab everything off the shelf if they need it or not. Myself, I don't THINK there's anything to worry about from a plant shutdown like this.

December 21, 2013
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Dave N said
Just another reason for folks to grab everything off the shelf if they need it or not. Myself, I don't THINK there's anything to worry about from a plant shutdown like this.

People grabbing everything off the shelf even though they don't need it is a big cause of the ammunition shortage. If you don't need it leave it for someone who does.

December 21, 2013
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You know that, and I know that, but…

December 21, 2013
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http://www.theblaze.com/storie…..n-control/

Companies like Doe Run will continue to manufacture the lead used in ammunition because most ammunition in the United States is made from recycled lead that comes from secondary smelters.
“[T]he majority of the lead used by ammunition manufacturers comes from secondary smelters that recycle lead from car batteries,” Bob Owens of Bearing Arms wrote.

Doe Run has a secondary smelter facility in southern Missouri.

December 27, 2013
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Helium first because it is lite and Lead next because it is heavy.  If they could have their way everything would be banned.  The sad thing is that we handle production and mining far more responsibly than the rest of the world.  China does not care how they affect the enviroment.  They shut down the last of the heavy metal mines in the US and now all  of the the material for "green" auto batteries comes from China.

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